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Should the motto “In God We Trust” be removed from U.S. currency? ?

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Yes. It’s a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.
18%

No. The motto has historical and patriotic significance and does nothing to establish a state religion.
82%
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34 Responses to “Should the motto “In God We Trust” be removed from U.S. currency? ?”

  1. Vincent K, Atheati Mad Scientist Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    *Shrugs* I don’t think it’s that big an issue, but I find the ‘historical significance’ argument to be sheer nonsense. It was a relic of the ‘red scare’ during the Cold War, why does that make it worth upholding?

  2. Hesychia Bryennissa Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Yes. It’s a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.
    Why are christians so gung-ho to keep it if it’s no big deal, as they often say?

  3. Beletje_vos AM + VT Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    “Yes. It’s a violation of the principle of separation of church and state.”

    That should be 100%. But what can we expect when half of Americans deny evolution?

  4. that should be imprinted in your hearts, not your currency. the US is already declining rapidly, what difference would it make if you took God off your currency…..

  5. I am not an American, so I don’t care what Americans do with their currency.

  6. Bella Cullen 3 Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Well, I think it should because it says in the constitution that we must keep church and state separate. However, it is historical, so I dont really mind it being there as long as it can't MEAN anything. It shouldnt mean that the US is a theistic country.

    The majority of Americans believe in a God or Deity, so of course the statistics will show that more people are in favor of it, but we cant let the majority determine something like that.

  7. When they don’t allow sporting teams to pray before an event anymore, then they can remove it.

  8. Truthteller Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Let us not trust in promise, or in talk; but in deed, and in truth.

  9. Yes it should be replaced by a magic 8 ball!

  10. Absolutely. It wasn’t there at the beginning.

  11. Yes, it should.

  12. Godsgirl2819 Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    This question was asked just yesterday. I think so because why should a country who takes God out of schools still have that on its currency. either it should remove it or it should put God back in schools. They need to make up their minds now.

  13. Should definitely not be allowed

  14. Ex_Pro_and_Ex_Con Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    When people stop being murdered at random I’ll turn my attention to this ‘weighty’ problem.

  15. Yes, because you do not state in which god you trust. The Muslims and everyone else think it is their god.
    Should be: In the only living God YHWH we trust.

  16. Honestly, if it is THAT offensive, then yes. If it is going to cause more strife and disconnection in our nation, then yes. But so far, in the 200 years plus that we have been around, has it caused THAT much trouble? I think that those who do not believe in the Christian God have enough in them to look past this as a religious reference and see it as a Patriotic statement.

  17. tony.mammano Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    When it is, if it is, the currency will be removed also, right along with all the rights you have enjoyed to date, as a citizen of a country that has always put God first. Be well.

  18. smartalec02 Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Yes, because I’m tired of all the hypocritical people who handle it and don’t trust in God.

  19. yes it should .

  20. No it should be expanded to the full quote:
    “In God We Trust All Others Pay Cash”

  21. I disagree with the statement but i really don’t think about it very much. I wouldn’t be at all bothered if it was removed but I don’t really care whats printed on the money as long as it spends the same:)

  22. The Bible says money is the root of all evil so we slap “In God We Trust” on it… makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it?

  23. Jeancommunicates Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    If we ever want to come out of this depression, we’d best leave it on all of our money. God is removing America’s idol of money at this very moment. God knows how to get man to return to Him.

  24. "historical and patriotic significance"

    Like 50s communist paranoia? Not the most glorious moment in US history.

  25. I don’t think it’s a big issue. If people don’t like, don’t look at it. And to remove it would actually cost a lot of money, all the treasury molds or whatever they are called that make the coins would have to be remade, etc.

    If it was removed, I would not care, but see nothing wrong with it, it’s just an expression and God probably does not want much to do with our monetary system and finances right now, anyway. (Just kidding, he’s going to help us, eventually)

  26. bydarwinsbeard Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Absolutely. Someone has to be incredibly deluded to not see how it is a violation of the separation of church and state. And as any honest look at world history will show, religion and government make terrible bedfellows indeed.

  27. And replace it with what? In government we trust. Why do people keep confusing separation of church and state with removing all traces of any religious expression from everything.

  28. No it belongs there.

    Get your facts strait the “separation of church and state” is not in the Constitution” it is in a letter that Jefferson wrote.

    The Constitution states:Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    This is the letter in question it is not in the Constitution

    Mr. President

    To messers Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

    Gentlemen

    The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

    I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

    (signed) Thomas Jefferson
    Jan.1.1802.

  29. Blue Rizla Girl Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    Yes.

    Although it doesn’t say *which* God, it still favours theistic religions over non-theistic ones; and, through the use of the singular “God” as opposed to “Gods”, it could be seen as favouring monotheistic religions over polytheistic ones.

    Beside which, the motto should never have been added in the first place. It’s an insult to your founding fathers.

  30. One atheist got prayer out of school.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson
    http://www.positiveatheism.com/hist/quotes/qframe.htm

    Should read what Jefferson had to say Thomas Jefferson on
    Religion and Liberty

  31. Israel Lover Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    NO!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. practicalwizard Says:
    January 3rd, 2009 at 4:51 am

    *sigh* it seems like “the powers that be” are certainly succeeding.

    I think it can certainly be argued that NOT having it can be viewed in support of atheism. Certainly now because we would be making the conscious decision to REMOVE it.

    Not only that, but the separation of church and state which is argued today is not constitutional. What Jefferson was saying in his letter was, the legislature can not favor a specific religion and it can not prohibit religious exercise, as he also stated: “No power over the freedom of religion is delegated to the United States by the Constitution.”

    The phrase “In God We Trust” does NOT say “In Christ We Trust”. American people assume the phrase is to be interpreted in favor or Christianity. NOW WHY IS THAT? That assumption, right there, is the recognition of American people of the CHRISTIAN HERITAGE present in the country’s founding. The same people who wish to abolish or hide such a heritage are recognizing it in this issue.

    But the American people don’t study American history, do they? It’s just not that sexy. Well… With the drafting of this letter by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, Jefferson had contacted two other politicians, regarding the wording and contents of this letter, before he sent it to the Baptists. Not only that, but the original, handwritten, draft of the letter has several phrases inked out and changed by Jefferson… he PAINED over the wording. Attorney General Levi Lincoln of Massachusetts was one of the men he asked. Lincoln drafted a response and suggested some changes in wording, which Jefferson reportedly adopted, changing some wording again. In his letter to Lincoln, asking for his opinion, Jefferson clearly explained to Lincoln his INTENT for sending the letter, thus clarifying for us today any interpretation of his letter to the Baptist church. His intention was to 1) “condemnation of the alliance between church and state.” Notice the word “ALLIANCE” is used, not “ACKNOWLEDGMENT”, which so many people have seemingly substituted there, today. and 2) the PRINCIPLE reason for drafting the letter: He was looking, he told Lincoln, for an opportunity for “saying why I do not proclaim fastings & thanksgivings, as my predecessors did” and latched onto the Danbury address as the best way to broadcast his views on the subject. Although using the Danbury address was “awkward” — it did not mention fasts and thanksgivings — Jefferson pressed it into service to counter what he saw as an emerging Federalist plan to exploit the thanksgiving day issue to smear him, once again, as an infidel, as they had previously attempted to label him an atheist in the election of 1800.

    I find it very scary that American people make decisions and cast votes based on assumptions, derived from incorrect misinterpretations of political statements, because they are just simply too lazy to research anything. And some of those same people are so concerned over slinging accusations about a Christian’s personal, perhaps incorrect, interpretation of the Bible, making it clear they don’t respect a person’s conclusion based on lack of information or supporting fact. Well… that’s a tad hypocritical, isn’t it? When in RECENT history, in the scheme of things, events occurred that have affected the lives of millions of people who REFUSE to accurately witness these events through the use of DOCUMENTED history because it’s just too boring, or they’re lazy to do so? Yet these people want to make an argument for history? I think Jefferson would be hugely offended.

  33. IT SHOULD REMAIN, ESPECIALLY IN THIS TROUBLED TIME. AS FOR THE “CHURCH AND STATE ISSUE” THERE IS “NOTHING” IN THE CONSTUTION ON THIS THAT WAS AN EXERPT FROM A LETTER FROM THOMAS JEFFERSON TO SOMEONE. IT HAS BEEN REPEATED THROUGH HISTORY WHENEVER SOMEONE FELT IT JUSTIFIED THERE ACTIONS. IT WAS NEVER IN THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION OF OUR NATION AND NEVER WAS A LAW.

  34. Dear Friend,

    I am totally "against" removing the "words" In God We Trust" on…ANYTHING. It is not 'some' motto. They are not 'some' words. It is what we base our belief in. A personal relationship with our Creator. Reverence of a Holy God and His blessings on a nation that used to "obey" His WORDS.

    1. We kicked God out of homes. No responsibility, no respect, childhood suicide. No supervison.

    2. We kicked God out of churches. The people run the church and not the Head, Jesus Christ.

    3. We kicked God out of seminaries and now you don't even have to bring a Bible to class, and the students are doing essay's on what the professors write, rather than having a personal relationship with the "living" God, Jesus Christ and practicing the Word of God.

    4. We kicked God out of schools, now we have children murdering children. The MORE we kick God out this country, the more chaotic a society we become, and I could go on and on with the list.

    Now let me ask YOU and others, this question. "Have you SEEN the "new" sliver dollar?" Check it out "carefully." The words, "In God We Trust" are NOT on the face or back of the coin… AT ALL. So where are the words? They are stamped on the "rim" of the coin.

    Slowly but surely the almighty Power of the Holy Spirit …WILL be removed completely from this country. As soon as this country turns its back on Israel, God WILL remove HIS blessing from the United States and it WILL become a …third world country. Think Christian, think. We are not far off from it becoming a…reality!

    "Oh Lord Jesus, HELP us and take away the spiritual blinders so that we can…SEE and put us, this nation back in right standing with …You."

    Revelation 4:8 "…Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."

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