Comments on: How much currency does the "Jesus as myth" hypothesis hold around here? http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/ Discussion of Forex Trading and Currency Trading Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:06:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: ManWell KMA http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18191 ManWell KMA Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18191 There are few, if any, contemporaneous non-Christian sources. The earliest non-Christian sources of which I'm aware are Josephus, Pliny, and Tacitus. Josephus is questionable as a source, and Pliny and Tacitus wrote in the 2nd century. Now I *suspect* that there was a man named Jesus that attracted followers. I'm just not sure that this can be shown by the sources. There are few, if any, contemporaneous non-Christian sources.

The earliest non-Christian sources of which I’m aware are Josephus, Pliny, and Tacitus. Josephus is questionable as a source, and Pliny and Tacitus wrote in the 2nd century.

Now I *suspect* that there was a man named Jesus that attracted followers. I’m just not sure that this can be shown by the sources.

]]> By: techilikey http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18192 techilikey Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18192 none that were written during his supposed existence on earth. if he was so great, don't you think Jewish and/or Romans would have wrote something down while he was alive or at least shortly afterward. Not decades. none that were written during his supposed existence on earth. if he was so great, don’t you think Jewish and/or Romans would have wrote something down while he was alive or at least shortly afterward. Not decades.

]]> By: тнє gяєαт gαzσσ http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18193 тнє gяєαт gαzσσ Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18193 Well...in a way. I mean those non-Christian sources are from decades after. The Christians throw names like Pliny and Josephus around like they were eyewitnesses, but both were born to late. So no one who met Jesus actually wrote it down. There are good sources for Christians in the first century. That implies that Jesus probably was real. Since all the accounts were from decades after the fact, I personally have to conclude that even though he was likely real, the stories associated with him are almost entirely myths. Well…in a way. I mean those non-Christian sources are from decades after. The Christians throw names like Pliny and Josephus around like they were eyewitnesses, but both were born to late. So no one who met Jesus actually wrote it down.

There are good sources for Christians in the first century. That implies that Jesus probably was real.

Since all the accounts were from decades after the fact, I personally have to conclude that even though he was likely real, the stories associated with him are almost entirely myths.

]]> By: ☀Agape✝ http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18194 ☀Agape✝ Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18194 Cornelius Tacitus Tacitus lived from A.D. 55 to A.D. 120. He was a Roman historian and has been described as the greatest historian of Rome, noted for his integrity and moral uprightness. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. The Annals relate the historical narrative from Augustus’ death in A.D.14 to Nero’s death in A.D. 68. The Histories begin their narrative after Nero’s death and finish with Domitian’s death in A.D. 96. In his section describing Nero’s decision to blame the fire of Rome on the Christians, Tacitus affirms that the founder of Christianity, a man he calls Chrestus (a common misspelling of Christ, which was Jesus’ surname), was executed by Pilate, the procurator of Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity because in the same paragraph he describes Christus’ or Christ’s death, he describes Christianity as a pernicious superstition. It would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never existed, but he did not, and perhaps he did not because he could not without betraying the historical record. Lucian of Samosata Lucian was a Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. He therefore lived within two hundred years of Jesus. Lucian was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that Christians worshipped a man. He does not mention Jesus’ name, but the reference to the man Christians worship is a reference to Jesus. Suetonius Suetonius was a Roman historian and a court official in Emperor Hadrian’s government. In his Life of Claudius he refers to Claudius expelling Jews from Rome on account of their activities on behalf of a man Suetonius calls Chrestus [another misspelling of Christus or Christ]. Pliny the Younger Pliny was the Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor (AD. 112). He was responsible for executing Christians for not worshipping or bowing down to a statue of the emperor Trajan. In a letter to the emperor Trajan, he describes how the people on trial for being Christians would describe how they sang songs to Christ because he was a god. Thallus and Phlegon Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died. Mara Bar-Serapion Some time after 70 A.D., Mara Bar-Sarapion, who was probably a Stoic philosopher, wrote a letter to his son in which he describes how the Jews executed their King. Claiming to be a king was one of the charges the religious authorities used to scare Pontius Pilate into agreeing to execute Jesus. Josephus Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead! Cornelius Tacitus
Tacitus lived from A.D. 55 to A.D. 120. He was a Roman historian and has been described as the greatest historian of Rome, noted for his integrity and moral uprightness. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. The Annals relate the historical narrative from Augustus’ death in A.D.14 to Nero’s death in A.D. 68. The Histories begin their narrative after Nero’s death and finish with Domitian’s death in A.D. 96. In his section describing Nero’s decision to blame the fire of Rome on the Christians, Tacitus affirms that the founder of Christianity, a man he calls Chrestus (a common misspelling of Christ, which was Jesus’ surname), was executed by Pilate, the procurator of Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity because in the same paragraph he describes Christus’ or Christ’s death, he describes Christianity as a pernicious superstition. It would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never existed, but he did not, and perhaps he did not because he could not without betraying the historical record.

Lucian of Samosata
Lucian was a Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. He therefore lived within two hundred years of Jesus. Lucian was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that Christians worshipped a man. He does not mention Jesus’ name, but the reference to the man Christians worship is a reference to Jesus.

Suetonius
Suetonius was a Roman historian and a court official in Emperor Hadrian’s government. In his Life of Claudius he refers to Claudius expelling Jews from Rome on account of their activities on behalf of a man Suetonius calls Chrestus [another misspelling of Christus or Christ].

Pliny the Younger
Pliny was the Governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor (AD. 112). He was responsible for executing Christians for not worshipping or bowing down to a statue of the emperor Trajan. In a letter to the emperor Trajan, he describes how the people on trial for being Christians would describe how they sang songs to Christ because he was a god.

Thallus and Phlegon
Both were ancient historians and both confirmed the fact that the land went dark when Jesus was crucified. This parallels what the Bible said happened when Jesus died.

Mara Bar-Serapion
Some time after 70 A.D., Mara Bar-Sarapion, who was probably a Stoic philosopher, wrote a letter to his son in which he describes how the Jews executed their King. Claiming to be a king was one of the charges the religious authorities used to scare Pontius Pilate into agreeing to execute Jesus.

Josephus
Josephus was a Jewish historian who was born in either 37 or 38 AD and died some time after 100 AD. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead!

]]> By: tcoJCoLDS member http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18195 tcoJCoLDS member Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18195 none with me none with me

]]> By: Froggy http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18196 Froggy Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.myylt.com/2009/09/19/how-much-currency-does-the-jesus-as-myth-hypothesis-hold-around-here/#comment-18196 Great question! Just kidding jackass. Great question!

Just kidding jackass.

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